1690 Emerick Thokoly Ducat Obverse Die

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1690 Emerick Thokoly Ducat Obverse Die

Mesajde rooneydog » 04 Ian 2018, 15:22

Hi, I have what appears to be a 1690 obverse die but I am unable to find the dimensions of the 1 or 3 ducat or even a picture of the 3 ducat and would be grateful for any info on size and picture and comments on the die itself.

Thank you, Jon
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Re: 1690 Emerick Thokoly Ducat Obverse Die

Mesajde popoviciliza » 04 Ian 2018, 20:10

rooneydog scrie:[...] I am unable to find the dimensions of the 1 or 3 ducat or even a picture of the 3 ducat and would be grateful for any info on size and picture[...].

Dear Jon,

It happens that I found only some data for 1 ducat, as follows:
Obverse: EME. THÖKÖ - LI. D. G. P. T. [Emericus Thököli Dei gratia princeps Transilvaniae]
Reverse: PAR. REG. HUNGA. D. &. SICULO. CO. 1690 [Partium regni Hungariae dominus et Siculorum comes 1690]
Metal: Gold
Diameter: 22 mm
Weight: 3,48 g

21.-Emerick-Tokoly-ducat-1690.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ov1IsTCD42o/V ... t-1690.jpg

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http://mek.oszk.hu/01900/01902/html/index432.html

Hope it is what you needed,

Greetings,
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Re: 1690 Emerick Thokoly Ducat Obverse Die

Mesajde rooneydog » 04 Ian 2018, 20:33

Thank you popoviciliza, 22mm appears correct.

Does anybody know if the die looks correct for the period ?
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Re: 1690 Emerick Thokoly Ducat Obverse Die

Mesajde popoviciliza » 04 Ian 2018, 20:39

My pleasure.

Why don't you make some imprints on a soft material (maybe soap), and compare the result with the photos I found?
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Re: 1690 Emerick Thokoly Ducat Obverse Die

Mesajde Adminus Maximus » 08 Ian 2018, 16:55

That's not a ducat coin die. At least not an original one.
Just check the fine details of Thokoli's bust on the coin and compare with the "die".
Could be a modern die to make poor quality replica's. It looks kinda' fresh.
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Re: 1690 Emerick Thokoly Ducat Obverse Die

Mesajde rooneydog » 09 Ian 2018, 12:16

Thanks for the comments Adminus. Has anyone got an image of a copy / fake ?
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